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In this episode of the Rising Leaders of New York podcast, welcome guest Rebecca Sassouni, Esq., Mediator, Attorney for Students Of Counsel, Wisselman Harounian Family Law.

Tune in to this episode as Rebecca shares insights into:

• education challenges as a result of the pandemic
• advocating for special needs children, including how to challenge a school’s classification decision
• the influence of ai and technology on student representation
• the challenges of maintaining zero tolerance policies
• importance of knowing how to protect children’s rights

Rebecca Sassouni understands the nexus of relationships among children, families, schools and emerging law. Her practice consists of advising, consulting and representing students of all ages in public and private school settings, at meetings, at mediation and hearings to navigate this complex web.

She brings a compassionate, practical, economical and consensus-minded approach to serve her clients’ goals. Rebecca coaches her clients to grow and advocate for themselves after her representation concludes. Long committed to community families and children and to pro bono and public service, Sassouni is available to address civic groups, schools, Bar Associations and SEPTAs.

Learn more about Rebecca Sassouni: 

Visit her website: https://www.rebeccasassounilaw.com/

Connect with Rebecca on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccasassouni/

About the Rising Leaders of New York Podcast

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VOICEOVER ( 00:00:01):  Welcome to Rising Leaders of New York with your host David S. Zwerin of Hill & Moin LLP. They present to you conversations with today’s and future leaders of New York City discussing the challenges and issues relevant to New Yorkers. You can find this show at www.hillmoin.com and on Youtube, LinkedIn, Apple podcast, Spotify, Google podcast and more. Now, here are the hosts of Rising Leaders of New York.

DAVID ( 00:00:38):  Hello, everybody. My name is David. I am the senior trial attorney at Hill & Moin LLP. We’re a plaintiff’s personal injury law firm, uh focusing particularly on seriously injured victims of construction accidents and premises liability cases. Um But I also get the distinct pleasure of being the host of this podcast which is Rising Leaders of New York where each so I get to speak with and have interesting conversations with some of the leaders who are really on the cutting edge of issues that we as New Yorkers need to know about today. I’m joined by a wonderful guest, Rebecca Esquire. Uh She is an education lawyer handles, uh a lot of issues dealing with kids, uh who are having issues at school often intertwined with issues with the parents uh in the school such as uh suspensions, violations of code of conduct. Uh I know there have been all of us, of us who have parents, which are not all of our listeners are, but for those of us who do have parents, you know that the last few years uh during the pandemic and emerging out of it have brought a lot of challenges for uh the education of, of young people. And I look forward to having a very interesting conversation and learning about uh what Rebecca has been doing the last few years and what she thinks are some of the things you need to know about. So, uh with that in mind, Rebecca, thank you so much for joining me here today on rising leaders of New York.

REBECCA ( 00:02:04):  I’m so flattered to be here. Thank you David and thank you to HIll & Moin for this wonderful opportunity. I’ve known Cheryl Moyne and your practice for quite a while. And I’m, I’m really flattered to be in your company.

DAVID ( 00:02:16):  Thank you. Oh, it’s my pleasure, Rebecca. Uh tell us a little about yourself. How did you become a lawyer? And how did you get into this field of uh education law?

REBECCA ( 00:02:27):  So, I became a lawyer um nearly 30 years ago I graduated and um really, I went into the corporate realm to be perfectly honest, I didn’t even know about the practice area that I’m now specializing in. Um, I graduated from hostile law and went to a corporate law firm. Um, I retired from the practice of law for a period of time to raise my own family. Uh, I was fortunate that I was able to do so, but I returned to the practice a number of years ago, um, maybe about seven or eight years ago as a parent who had raised four Children and including a student with special education needs of my own, I came to understand the nexus of law that has to um comes to bear. Uh whether through the Americans with Disabilities Act, the 504 Act. Um the I DEA and interestingly, my work as a student back at Hofstra in the disability law clinic actually came to bear. But back when I was at Hofstra, I was studying contracts and got a Contracts Prize. Who knew

DAVID ( 00:03:30):  what a what is it that, that brought you back to the field of law after you see being a lawyer? Like what, what was it that happened in your life that made you decide to, to go back and start this career?

REBECCA ( 00:03:44):  Well, I mean, I’ve, I’ve been blessed that I, um as I said, I raised a family. Um I became a somewhat of a resource to many of the people around me in our community where I reside and I was in effect um an advocate for many people around me, even while I wasn’t practicing um, and when I went through the journey of having to classify my own child and then also the, the, um, I guess the, the experience of having my child declassified, which was a huge mistake and it’s a, it’s a, a trap that a lot of families fall for. Um, and, and

DAVID ( 00:04:24):  declassified.

REBECCA ( 00:04:26):  Exactly. So often what happens? I’m glad for the question is families will have learned that their child has disabilities, will then get their child classified under the law under I DEA the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. And then we find out from any given school district that their child is all better is meeting their goals and is doing so well. In fact that they don’t need to be classified anymore and often naive families and I was rather naive myself will say, oh gee how wonderful my child is meeting their goals and no longer needs to be classified. Big mistake because what goes with that is loss of services, loss of the educational supports and accommodations that the child needs. Because I went through that arc myself first, the arc of learning that my child needed to be classified, which is a difficult one for a parent. Some parents are not ready to hear that their child has a learning disability or other disabilities. And then I went through the arc of learning that wait, my child lost all their services and needed them. Um is how I realized that I could be of service to others. Um and to hold their hand through the process of getting their child’s classified, um, often, uh, so I attend families um needs when they go to CS E the Committee on special education to 504 meetings. The again that relevant statute of law trying to get their Children classified, I help them get the accommodations that their Children need. I also attend um meetings with families when their Children are suspended. Often we see and this is a statistical um certainty that students are suspended because of violations of code of conduct. But sometimes there’s a nexus between a disability and why they violate codes of conduct. And that’s again, uh an area that I specialize in, I’m

DAVID ( 00:06:35):  curious and as, as a parent myself, um if, if a parent is faced with that kind of conversation, they had Children with uh some sort of special needs, maybe they have an IEP and a school was to tell the parent, oh, your students doing great. Uh We wanted to classify them. What can the parents do? Is there a recourse to say? I don’t know about that. I don’t think that’s a great idea. How do you get involved when a school advances that argument? And it’s not in the best interest of the child.

REBECCA ( 00:07:11):  It’s a great question. And as lawyers, we know that it’s very important to create a record and to maintain that record fastidiously. So wherever possible families and anyone listening to this podcast needs to know to be very cooperative with their school districts, but also to maintain very copious records of how their child is doing, whether their goals are actually being met. And then, um where there is not consensus on that issue of whether the goals are actually being met and whether the progress is being made to realize that they have recourse, they can bring in their own team, their own mental health providers, their own um physical therapist, occupational therapist, neuropsychologists, attorneys to the team table, whether at 504 or CS E, if the need arises to appeal from a decision of the CS E or 504. Well, then there are appeals to be had at impartial hearing. But my view on this is that wherever possible, we try to go for consensus at the CS E or the 504 table because again, as attorneys, we know it’s always harder to appeal from a bad decision. Um So we try to get in at the first crack at the apple.

DAVID ( 00:08:35):  That makes sense. So I’m I’m curious, um how do you reach this kind of consensus? And why would a school have different sort of goals than perhaps the parent? Like, what kind of goals are they saying are being met? But a parent sees something different, it says they’re not being met. Why would they, why would there be a disparate outcome like that?

REBECCA ( 00:9:01):  Well, to be fair. All students um in public schools are entitled to a free and appropriate public education, but to answer your question, the definition of appropriate is not necessarily um unlimited. Um So where the disputes typically arise are not only on the threshold issue of whether or not a student has a disability but rather on what’s inadequate and uh appropriate amount of service uh and an accommodation. And so the disputes are typically on that and of course, uh as in general, a family might want more and a school district might want less. And it’s a really, it’s an, it’s an allocation of public resources at the end of the day. And, you know, my answer is in generalities, but of also contemplating a public school setting. Frequently, I have clients also who approach who are private school parents. And there, of course, you have really a contract analysis because, you know, you have people who are electing to enroll their Children in a private school setting and um who still wish to avail themselves of the um the supports of an IEP or a 504 plan. And then unfortunately, um but very commonly, you’ll have situations where a, a student has for a period of time, been enrolled in a public school. And again, having created a record where the denial of the free and appropriate public education has accumulated for a certain number of years and it’s demonstrable that they are not receiving the free and appropriate public education. Well, at that point, the matter might go to hearing and whether or not it actually makes it to a conclusion as a matter of law or by settlement, often there too, there will be a, uh, uh, a private setting for tuition and for tuition reimbursement to a private school. So that happens pretty often.

DAVID ( 00:11:07):  when a parent hears that, uh, the school wants to classify their Children or some or they have some sort of concern. Uh And you mentioned that eventually these things can go to a hearing. How does that actually play out if someone were to contact you? How do you go about requesting the hearing or appearing at the hearing? Is it virtual is in person? How does it work?

REBECCA ( 00:11:29):  So, um all of this is governed by um the New York State Education law and the gov and governed by the laws of the commissioner of education in New York State and just like any other administrative hearing, it’s, um, it’s guided by, um, you know, appropriate notice giving and, um, and there are timelines in place. And so it really is important that if a family listening to this is actually feeling that they’re on the verge of needing to go to hearing or to have a dispute, um, that they create the record that they reach out to an attorney and that, um, that they preserve all their rights.

DAVID ( 00:12:08):  What are some of the issues that I guess you, in your practice, you’re seeing that have been different in the last few years. Obviously, the pandemic really changed a lot of things. There was a, I’ve noticed, uh, you know, a big change in how schools operate, how kids behave since they’re going back to school. I’m curious what, what you see are, are some of the issues that have really cropped up in the last three years.

REBECCA ( 00:12:32):  So, I mean, broadly, I only receive referrals on matters that involve youngsters, right? People who are involved in whether it’s all the way up to high school education, those are minors or sometimes even college and graduate students. Um but typically my clients are minors and but even at the graduate level, I would say that when someone is involved in a school related dispute, I am representing someone who is involved in a family nexus. So and what as you said in your introduction, the nexus between families and schools um in particular with the COVID pandemic, but also with the politicization of education in the last number of years has become particularly fraught and divided. Um very specifically, we’re seeing AAA high number of uh mental health concerns in students, whether it’s school refusal issues, mental health issues. Um often um I have a lot of intake now on not just mental health and emotional disturbance, which is actually a classifiable um a condition under the law for special education purposes. Um in some instances but also gender dysmorphia um concerns about gender identity, how that plays out on bullying issues and civil rights concerns. So, uh for all the bullying issues that we’ve always been concerned about and cyberbullying issues and the dignity for all students act. These types of issues play out in schools pretty frequently. And um the clients that I see are the ones whose parents have the good fortune and the resources to reach out to seek legal help. Of course, you know, more broadly, there’s these issues are endemic, but I represent one student and one family at a time.

DAVID ( 00:14:33):  Now, are the, is the student actually your client if he’s he or she is under 17 or is that on behalf of the family? Um And I’m wondering what ends up happening? Are there ever issues where if your, your client is the youngster that there are problems that may arise, I guess and also dealing with the family, perhaps some of these issues stem from a bad family background. Um How do these things play out in making sure you’re best representing and getting the best outcomes for the student, which is really what matters at the end of the day.

REBECCA ( 00:15:07):  So, I mean, it’s a great question and it’s actually the reason why um earlier this year, I moved my practice over to BF counsel to a family law firm. Um You know, as you would imagine, my practice is a niche practice. I’m only representing students. And as I said, they typically come to me via their, their parents, that’s who has the means to retain an attorney. But at the same time, my, my actual object and my client is, is the, is typically the minor. Uh and that’s who I’m trying to seek uh help for and I’m counseling. So, um it is, it is sort of a triangulated approach. I’m not going to advance the interests of a youngster unless I have the consent of the parents. And there are often differences of opinion as you would imagine whether it’s on vaccination or unmasking during the pandemic or on um what goals they’re seeking for their child. Uh And what classification in a 504 or an IEP setting um or in a suspension matter of what, what they will stipulate to uh in a settlement. Um So I do a lot of, I’m going to say hand holding a lot of counseling, a lot of making sure that we’re all on the same page. Um because certainly I don’t want to advance the interest of just one member of the family uh to the exclusion of another.

DAVID ( 00:16:34):  And what, what ends up happening if the student and the parents just have diametrically opposed viewpoints of a matter? Do you have to find a way to reconcile it and what happens if they can’t be?

REBECCA ( 00:16:47):  Well, I, I I’m I’m a very good shuttle diplomat. So, um what I uh typically do in, in my conference room space is spend time with the student, then spend time with the parents um encourage um I guess what I would call caucus. Um and you know, reaching consensus as the family unit um and then advancing together. Um and, and always reassuring the clients that there’s, and as I’m sure you do in your practice, there’s no settlement to achieve, to be achieved, no outcome to be achieved without the full consent of all the parties.

DAVID ( 00:17:30):  Um Initially, I’m curious to have your opinion about is what are some of the major code of conduct violations you’re seeing in the last years that uh are cropping up. I’m wondering in this new age where, you know, we’re hearing a lot about uh ta I and how much A I will change the name? Is that something that is, is that students are getting their hands on? Is that causing problems for students or teachers? Uh What are some of the, of the big issues that technology is having in influencing uh your representation of Children?

REBECCA ( 00:18:9):  It’s a great question and um you know, I hate to say that there’s the run of the mill sort of situations and fact patterns, but, you know, plagiarism in general is of course a huge code of conduct violation category um particularly in the upper grades when we’re talking about the high school years going on into college and into graduate programs. Um And of course, uh the stakes are very high for those students as they get older. Because by that point in time, by high school, the students are looking to mostly advance to college frequently, they don’t want blemishes on their academic record. Um that will preclude them from going to college. And by the college and the graduate years, they’re already paying tuition or their families are paying tuition and then considering um advancing to their careers and again, do not want to lose credits tuition or have blemishes on their academic um credentials. Um And as you point out there is, um, now just such easy opportunities with this chat GP T but even before with turn it in dot com and these other ways to cheat and then for, for professors to catch the cheating and the plagiarism, um, cheating is rampant. Um And so what, what I see is that, um, families are well served and students are well served well a not to cheat. Um, but b to try to get counsel immediately and to try to ST uh try, try to stipulate and try to negotiate because what’s going on, um in general is a zero tolerance policy whether at um colleges or at high schools. Um and below. Um because really each of these instances where schools find out about the cheating is an opportunity not only to punish the one child who’s caught, but to send notice to all the others to cease Right. So they want to make examples of the students who are caught. Um And so if there’s ever an opportunity to try to negotiate and, and to show um not to deny that they have actually maybe made a mistake, but rather to just try to negotiate and apologize and explain that it was a mistake because in general, um there’s a zero tolerance policy and if I could just add, there’s also a zero tolerance policy very often on a whole host of other codes of conduct violations that are very frequent fact patterns whether on um what would be characterized as sort of hate speech or bullying in school contexts, um, harassment type situations. And then of course, you know, we haven’t talked about it but, you know, there’s, there’s a, there’s a bringing, um, being found with um, weapons at school and often what I’ll find is that a family will say, but my child is not dangerous. All it was was a Swiss army knife. My child is not the next school shooter. And of course, the families who I represent, I believe them and I defend their Children. Um because that’s also a very common fact pattern. The one child who accidentally brought something to school who really is not a, you know, the child who’s the next school shooter necessarily. But that being said it’s a violation of a code of conduct. It’s a very common observe uh occurrence and there are zero tolerance policies in effect everywhere. Because again, some of these situations are quite sadly endemic in the society in which we now live.

DAVID ( 00:22:01):  How do you get around these various violations? Bringing a weapon onto school or a child being caught cheating if they are zero tolerance, if, if schools are out to uh ensure that uh a certain outcome is reached and they have no tolerance. Where do you come into get a, a resolution here? How does that happen?

REBECCA ( 00:22:26):  It’s another great question. And I go back to what I, what I mentioned before, each situation and each child and each fact pattern at the end of the day is different because the, the representation is per situation. So part of the analysis is, well, what actually happens? Part of it is also, well, who is the child? Is the student themselves? Um a person with disabilities, are they themselves in a protected class? If so, is that part of the analysis? Are they protected in some way by law? Um If not, well, you try to negotiate, but at the end of the day, those zero tolerance policies are a tough hurdle. Um And you know, as I said, at the beginning of the podcast, when I went to law school, it never occurred to me that the area in which I now practice is an area of law or that families and students would need lawyers. But the fact of the matter is they frequently do.

DAVID ( 00:23:34):  very interesting and I guess with, with that in mind, are there any other, uh, major issues you want to talk about any new developments of the law as we start to come out of, uh, the pandemic that you think people should be aware of as we move forward?

REBECCA ( 00:23:54):  I think the main, um, trends that I’m observing is that, um, after the pandemic, um, there has been a great deal of bridge building that needs to take place between various schools, whether private or public or colleges or elementary and everything in between and their um their parent bodies and families. And that’s mainly because people were home for a long period of time with their Children and some people were better equipped for that than others. So, um there were, there were higher instances of neglect, so we have more cases of, of Children being caught up in the CPS network. There were also higher instances of families looking over their child’s shoulder learning with their Children, but maybe not liking what it was that their Children were being taught. Um And so it’s going to take a period of time for families and uh students, I suppose to um be in a place of trust with their schools. But, you know, those are again, sort of the broader endemic um situations that I think will take time to rectify. From my perspective. My practice hasn’t really changed. I am representing one student at a time. Um and the referrals really haven’t really changed either. It’s either a student with disabilities or a student who, you know, needs a private placement, um, or a student who has been suspended. And from my perspective, I just do my level best to advise each family one at a time.

DAVID ( 00:25:38):  Well, Rebecca Sassouni, I really want to thank you for joining us today. I can tell you as a parent myself of, to, uh, young boys in elementary school, I learned a lot and uh I’m very glad to know that uh God forbid any of these issues ever crop up in the future. I have a little better idea of what to do, what not to do and who to call if uh we need to uh make sure their rights need to be preserved. Uh But hopefully, I don’t ever have to call you and I don’t have these issues, but I’m really glad to know that parents like me, uh will know how to call you. And with that in mind, if someone does want to call you, how would they do that?

REBECCA ( 00:26:14):  Thank you, David. And I appreciate what you said very much. It’s almost like you read my mind. I always say to people, I’m the kind of attorney, I hope you never need. Um But sometimes people do. So, um the way to reach me is through my firm, I’m of Council at Whistle Harun and our practice is located in Carl Place. But of course, we do virtual appearances as well. My phone number at the office is 516773 8300 and the email address is Rebecca Rebecca@lawjaw.com.

DAVID ( 00:26:54):  Excellent. Thank you so much, Rebecca for joining me today and thank you everybody for uh joining me here today. Uh Again, my name is David. I am the senior trial attorney at Hill and if you want to reach me or our law firm, you can reach us at 212668 6000. My email is dzwerin@hillmoin.com or you can find us on the web at hillmoin.com. Until next time when I’m joined by another rising leader of New York, my name is David. Have a nice day, everyone. Bye bye.

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In this episode of the Rising Leaders of New York podcast, welcome guest New York State Assemblywoman Gina Silitti, representing the 16th District on the North Shore of Long Island.

Tune in to this episode as Gina shares insights into:

• the impact of last summer’s train schedule changes on commuters in her district
• ways to revitalize the commuting experience, including train schedules and relieving overcrowding
• expanding access to voting for working people and city commuters
• Fire Department Bills and Crisis Counseling for Police

Born and raised on Long Island, Gina Sillitti has a proven record of public service and will use her government experience to deliver results for the people of the 16th Assembly District. Gina is a first-time elected official, having won her first election in November 2020.

Gina’s nearly two-decade career in public service included working at the Nassau County Legislature, where Gina learned the value of constituent services. For her, it was never about partisan politics. It was about working hard and getting results for the people she served.

During that time, Gina worked to secure millions for local fire departments, helped thousands of constituents with issues from repairing potholes to navigating their personal tragedies, worked to get much-needed infrastructure projects delivered for the district and helped bring hundreds of thousands of dollars in community development block grants to improve local schools.

In 2010, Gina was appointed Deputy Commissioner of the Department of Community Services in the Town of North Hempstead. In this role, she worked with a wide variety of constituency groups, including forming the first Asian-American Festival Committee to promote the growing cultural diversity in our town. She was promoted to Deputy Chief of Staff and the Director of Legislative Affairs for the Town where she served as liaison to officials at every level to ensure projects, grant requests and legislation received the proper attention. Gina was the point person on all special projects for the Town Supervisor involving the public, including as Chair of North Hempstead’s 9/11 Memorial Committee, a group consisting of members of the FDNY and NYPD, victims’ families, local volunteer fire departments that responded to Ground Zero, veterans and local architects.

In 2015, Gina was recruited to serve as Director of Human Resources and Compliance at the Nassau County Board of Elections. There, she implemented new policies and procedures to modernize the office and save taxpayer dollars.

Gina utilizes her years of government experience to deliver for her district. As a member of the New York State Assembly, Gina works to make living on Long Island more affordable. She understands the importance of increasing state aid for our schools, our town and our villages so they can rely less on property taxes.

Learn more about Assemblywoman Gina Sillitti

Visit her website: https://www.ginaforassembly.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ginaforassembly/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ginaforassembly/

Phone: 516-482-6966

Email: SillittiG@nyassembly.gov

About the Rising Leaders of New York Podcast

The Rising Leaders of New York Podcast is centered around conversations with today’s and future leaders of New York City, discussing the challenges and issues relevant to New Yorkers.

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VOICEOVER ( 00:00:01):  Welcome to Rising Leaders of New York with your host David S. Zwerin of Hill & Moin LLP. They present to you conversations with today’s and future leaders of New York City discussing the challenges and issues relevant to New Yorkers. You can find this show at www.hillmoin.com and on Youtube, LinkedIn, Apple podcast, Spotify, Google podcast and more. Now, here are the hosts of Rising Leaders of New York.

DAVID ( 00:00:38):  Hello everybody. My name is David Zwerin. I’m an attorney at the law firm of Hill and Moin. Our primary focus is representing seriously injured victims of accidents on uh premises such as uh buildings or construction sites and our uh firm uh helps to assist those serious injured victims get fair and adequate compensation. But I’m also the host of the podcast you are listening to which is rising leaders of New York where every episode I have the opportunity to put on a different hat and get to know and discuss some of the important topics uh that are before us. New Yorkers uh brought to us by some of the really exciting um cutting edge and rising leaders of New York and today. I certainly have one of those on tap for you. I’m very pleased to be joined by assembly woman, Gina Sillitti of the 16th district out of Nassau County, uh assembly woman. I’ll just throw it right over to you. Thank you so much for joining us today on rising leaders of New York.

GINA ( 00:01:41):  Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much, David. I, you know, before we came on the air, I was telling you, it’s my very first podcast. So I’m very excited to be talking with you and talking about some of the issues that’s, you know, affecting Nassau County and Long Island and get right into it.

DAVID ( 00:01:54):  Well, well, I’m very flattered that this is your first podcast. Uh You’re on, we’re pleased to have you and uh hope it’s not your last podcast and hope it’s not the only time you’re here for us.

GINA ( 00:02:04):  Me too.

DAVID ( 00:02:06):  So, um I know that one thing you’ve really been dealing with a lot this year is the major change that occurred with the Long Island railroad when the Grand Central Station opened up. What exactly did that do for people commuting out of your area to Great Neck in Manhattan on the Port Washington Line.

GINA ( 00:02:26):  Yeah. So, you know, first things first up, you know, the area that I represent. Port Washington, Manhasset, Great Neck. I also have a little bit of Roslyn, um, North New High Park Harrack. Uh So the Port Washington Line is uh known for probably being the crown jewel of the Long Island railroad. Uh I represent a commuter town. Uh A lot of folks moved here from the city for the fast and easy commute to Manhattan and uh you know, the suburban life with, you know, uh city work life. And um so last summer uh with the anticipated opening of Grand Central Madison, uh the Long Island railroad MG A put out a draft train schedule and let me tell you, David, it went down like a ton of bricks. It was, they eliminated all express service. It was, you know, they wanted to increase ridership in Queens, which I totally appreciate, but it was at the expense of the constituents I represent. And uh we learned very quickly that this was, you know, something that they didn’t want. But I felt that the Long Island Railroad not just anecdotally on social media or, you know, for me, the politician, um they need to hear directly from folks. So one of the things that I did was I created a survey and it sounds kind of simple, but, you know, I had a, you know, a palm card was at the train stations every morning and I was literally listening to people, uh you know, hearing their thoughts, but also not everybody knew this was happening. And so every morning in the month of July, I was out there talking to residents about the changes in the schedule and what it would mean for them. And, you know, unsurprisingly, uh, thousands of people responded to my survey. Um, there was multiple hearings, um, that was organized by the Long Island Railroad to hear, you know, public comment. It actually started as it was just gonna be one. Uh, but the response was so overwhelming, they actually hosted multiple meetings to hear directly from folks and of course, the majority of the people were on the poor Washington line, but Washington has a Great Mac and uh they just had told their personal stories about what the changes and the elimination of Express would mean to them. Um And, you know, obviously, uh you know, our home values are tied, uh you know, in part to the great schools, but of course, the, the commuting line. But additionally, it is, it is the lifeblood of our community is our trains. Uh our, we love our trains so much. We built our downtowns around them and, and people took this very personally and I was happy to say that the railroad heard their concerns and made changes.

DAVID ( 00:05:16):  what kind of changes to the IR make in response. They, they,

GINA ( 00:05:19):  they, they heard loud and clear that people wanted express trains to Penn Station. Uh and they brought back in some uh wasn’t all but some so fast forward to February. Um the train schedules are going into effect after, you know, multiple delays and, and one of the things that, you know, we had said from the very, very beginning is that if you see problems, fix it quickly, if you see overcrowding, fix it quickly, don’t wait and linger. Just listen to the riders. Pay attention and make changes as quickly as possible. Well, the first week was a nightmare for folks. Um, and, you know, I don’t know if I’m glutton for punishment, but I went, I went to the trains, uh, that first week to listen to people. Um And again, I wanted to do another survey just because of the success from last year. And I didn’t want it to just be social media. I didn’t want it to just be new reports, wanted it to be on the ground. People telling me exactly how they feel and let me tell you, they told me exactly how they felt about, about the new train schedules. It was overcrowding too much space in between, um in between times. It was just a whole host of things or just things didn’t line up the way they used to and missing connections. And so the they have some more work to do. Uh you know, that’s the bottom line, David. Uh We did the survey. We had another overwhelming response and the overwhelming response is get back to the drawing board and we need to fix this. Uh We sent our results over to the Long Island railroad um several weeks ago. Uh Although the uh the survey is ongoing, I have not taken it down because people are still commenting and we still send them over. Um, and they said they’re reviewing it and so we’re staying on top of it. Um, you know, I want the residents to know that, uh, it’s not, you know, it’s not over. We’re paying attention or I’m certainly paying attention and, uh, this is a big deal for folks. It’s, it’s their lives. Um, it’s, and it may seem trivial. Um you know, it’s just a train ride but it’s, it, it’s our connection. It’s our connection to the city. It’s our, it’s our homes. It’s our way of life. It’s really the whole, it’s the whole package here. Um When you represent a commuter town, our lives revolve around the trains.

DAVID ( 00:07:46):  So you definitely don’t have to convince me. I’m a, I’m a former Long Island resident. I used to live uh in a small town called Malvern. And I said one of the main reasons I, I lived there for a period of time was because of its accessibility to train. And I knew going in that it didn’t have the greatest line. But if somebody had told me that uh the line would be gutted or they would just run one or two lines or one or two trains out of it the entire weekday. So I wouldn’t have moved there at all because for those of us who have or have, have in the past, lived out on Long Island and have a job in the city, as you said, that’s the life blood. It’s not just a train ride. It’s your life of being overcrowded or having to have a 2030 40 minutes each way that really adds up and decreases your quality of life.

GINA ( 00:08:41):  It does. And you know what else too, David. It’s the lifeblood of New York City too. Um, you know, their economy is, we’re all connected, we’re all tied together, right? And so the economy is directly related. I mean, we’ve seen this, um, billions of dollars have been lost by, by people working from home. And so you want my constituents to be coming back into the city, right? You want them to get on the trains, you want them to spend money on lunch and dinner and, you know, all these different things and be back in office buildings. But when you make, you know, the commuting experience so difficult, you know, people think twice be like, well, just continue to work from home. I need to go into the city and deal with this nonsense. So, you know, there’s this balance, right? And so when I know the governor wants everyone to come back in the city, I know, um, you know, the MT A and the Long Island railroad, they want their ridership back. So, you know, we have to make it, um, you know, so that people want to and that they’re able to and that it’s you know, is commuting a pleasant experience. Does it have to be all sunshine and rainbows? No, but it can’t be the way it is now and, um, and it has to be better and they deserve it. Um, uh, you know, for the amount of money that they pay for, you know, the tickets and everything else, it’s just, this is our job, right. This is the job is to bring, uh, you know, you’re the Long Island railroad. Uh, you know, get people from point A to B but not just about bringing people from point H point B to bring it um with, you know, a pleasant commuting experience and not for nothing. Grand Central is lovely. Oh, my gosh. I, I don’t know if you’ve been there. Um I took the train last month. I, you know, was something nearby. Um It’s beautiful, it was beautiful train ride, it’s beautiful station. Um, but ridership is still, you know, uh going to Penn and we’re seeing that it’s, you know, they’ve, you know, it’s hard to change habits, right? And you’re going to Penn and that’s where you’ve always gone and that’s where you’re going to continue to go. And a lot of the office buildings are there, you know, in that area of Midtown. Uh So, uh so we have some work to do, you know, Long Island Railroad has some work to do. Um, and we’re paying attention and we’re staying on top of them.

DAVID ( 00:10:49):  what kind of balance do you think can be struck? Because as someone who’s lived in both Nassau County and Queens, I think it’s very important that the long road is servicing both areas. And it’s really critical that the people in Nassau County aren’t feeling dismissed and that it’s all just about Queens. But as someone in Queens who likes the idea of maybe more, uh, more train stopping at forest hills or Kew Gardens or Woodside to give an extra option to people like myself who want to have an easier commute out of central Queens into the city. How do you service both of them?

GINA ( 00:11:25):  Yeah. No, I mean, excellent question. It’s it and it’s not us versus them, right? Uh So few that, I mean, obviously more trains, you know, bottom line is there is more, we need more trains. The issue that we’re having on our end east of Great Neck is um there’s a few things we have single track. So, you know, that sort of limits the amount of trains that we push out. And then also um part of the Grand Central project decade a decade ago was expansion of the Port Washington railroad line and uh that, you know, for a host of reasons years ago, didn’t get done. Um That project is sort of back on the table. Discussions are ongoing about how to expand the track so we can park more trains and push more out, right? So we’re limited of the amount of trains that we can push out. But at the same time, David, we don’t need to stop at every single and that was the problem when the original last year, uh, uh, schedules came out, they stopped at every single stop in Queens. Um, we don’t have to do that. Right. You know, you can stop maybe at Bayside or, you know, you know, something or other where, you know, people can get on, but we don’t have to stop at every single one. Now. Is there locals? There’s always locals, there is locals in the previous schedule where folks from Queens can hop on and, and get into the city. Um This is our in Nassau County. It’s our only way. Right? We don’t, uh, you know, Long Island railroad. It, it’s either that or driving cars and we don’t want more cars on the road. Right. So, you know, our options are, are, are somewhat limited, but I think that we can do and I keep saying we, but I, I use we in a general term. Long Island railroad. Um, some simple scheduling changes I think would make for, um, a better commute. Um, right now in some of the prime time spots between, you know, the 7 to 8 and the 8 to 9, there’s not enough. Right? And so you, what you’re seeing is people crowded on these one or two trains to get them into the city before nine o’clock. So now there’s like a, you know, a train, um, one that leaves, uh, later in the eight o’clock hour. It’s, I think like 8 30 if that train and that gets in after nine. So a lot of people don’t take it, they’re all cramming on the 7 54. I think it is out of Fort Washington. Perhaps, if that later train was maybe 15 minutes earlier and it got in before nine o’clock, then you can separate, you know, that, you know, those 7 54 people, which by the way, that should even be earlier, there’s these huge gaps, these huge unnecessary gaps in my opinion, unnecessary. And my constituents also agree. It’s like a 7, 14, 7, 15 time, then this big gap till the end of the seven o’clock hour. And then that’s the last one that gets you in before nine game and, and it’s packed, it’s packed like you wouldn’t believe they got parents dropping their kids off at school. Everybody running to the train, you got a train coming in, train going out. It’s, it’s, it’s madness. Um, you know, little tweaks here and there. Um, and then there’s also the early folks, the people that have to get in by eight o’clock, you got the finance uh folks that work on Wall Street and then you got a lot of uh people who work in schools, they need to be in by eight o’clock and there isn’t a train Um, right now, uh, that will get them in to get them at their desk by eight o’clock. They have to do something in the six o’clock hour. This was unheard of before. Um, so again, it goes back to quality of life, it goes back to timing of schedules. Um, the amount of trains we’re obviously working on, but I think there could be some scheduling tweaks, some low hanging fruit that we hope that the Long Island railroad, the MT A will look at to, to get at the heart of what’s going on here. They did add more train cars which was very helpful uh to kind of relieve some of the stress um of the overcrowding, but it’s still crowded. Uh We’re still seeing pictures, they still send me tagging me, you know, on Twitter and social media. Um you know, take a look at this train, same as before nothing changed. Um So that’s what I hope they’ll, you know, are considering and uh we’ll listen to the folks again like they did last year and um and make, make these necessary changes.

DAVID ( 00:15:55):  Um Another topic I wanted to talk to you about assembly woman is um voter accessibility or a registration. I know that you’ve either been a very vocal in cosponsoring or working with uh some of your colleagues on a lot of bills that I think are under consideration in the current session to uh maybe to make voting more accessible or more fair. Uh, one of the ones I believe you worked on or maybe were supporting with the electronic Registration Information Center. Uh, can you tell us a little bit about that bill?

GINA ( 00:16:33):  Oh, yeah, sure. So, you know, just a step back quickly is I have a background, um, in elections. I worked at the board of elections. So I kind of know, um, you know how the cookies are made, so to speak and sort of how the process works. And uh you know, we’re, by the way, you know, for folks listening, we’re very lucky here in Nassau County, we have an excellent board of elections. Everything is bipartisan and that’s, I think an important thing for folks to know is that anything that comes in, whether it’s a voter registration form, whether it’s an absentee ballot application, no matter what it is, there’s two sets of eyes on everything. Uh Democrat checks it, a Republican checks it and nothing goes out or in without those two things happening. And both sides are um take this job very seriously. And um you know, working towards that goal of a fair uh and accessible election. And my thing from always is that we should make voting easier, not harder. Um It is our right as American citizens, it is our duty um to pay attention to what our elected officials are doing and support them when they’re doing good and kick them out when they’re not right. And and, you know, we’ve seen that over the years that increase in voter participation is a good thing. Um We’ve had early voting that started in 2019. Uh There was a little bit of resistance at first but you know what, not everybody can vote on election day. You never know what’s gonna happen. I remember one year there was a train that was late in and there was an accident and all these people were on their way home and never got a chance to vote because they got in after nine o’clock, they didn’t think about getting an absentee ballot application. They’re like, I’m gonna be home later, but you have early voting now, people can go 10 days before election day and pick a time that’s convenient for them and there’s guaranteed a location that is close to them. Um, but going back to this electronic, um, sort of national database, you know, one of the things that we’ve heard over and over is, um, you know, the roles, how are the voter rolls are the voter rolls? Right? How can we make the voter roles more accurate? And, and by the way, there’s so many steps and processes along the way that do make sure that these, the voter rolls are correct. But one of the things that is, it’s this, um, electronic, um, registration, uh national where basically you can see, um, so say you moved to, you know, another state and reregistered and you would now be in this, you know, let’s say Delaware, Delaware database. Um, you know, we can check, you can check monthly, you can check, you know, the board of elections can check and, you know, kind of compare rules and make sure that, you know, the data doesn’t overlap and that there is accuracies and all these different things. You know, what we try to do in New York, uh in Nassau County and you may have gotten it in the mail. I’m not sure how they do it in the city, but you’ll get like a card and it’s kind of a nondescript card. Uh, it’s white and red letters, white, red and black and it’s from the Nassau County Board of Elections and it says, um, or city board of elections or whatever. And it says this is who you are, this is where you live. This is where you, uh, where your polling location is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, and this is, we call it like a, a voter check, right? A voter check card. Um, if you get something in the mail that is not you or you get something at your house that is not you. That means that there is something that’s incorrect, you know, on the other end, maybe somebody moved and you’re like, oh yeah, that was a person who used to live in my house. So you can just send that back to the board of elections and be like this person moved. But with this other system, we can have a better, we can follow, right, the voter better and see that, you know, that they did register someplace else or they passed away in another state or whatever the case may be. Um, there are these checks and balances that happen um throughout New York, um with, you know, uh department of Health records when somebody passes away and all these different things, this is just another layer, right, another layer to make sure that the voter rolls are accurate. So, unfortunately, over the last few years that we’ve seen people are, you know, some, some are losing faith, um or have lost faith in the election process. Um Whether, you know, it’s somebody telling them that they, that they should lose faith or they just don’t understand how it works. These are just additional tools that saying, listen, we, we want to make sure everything’s perfect and this is just another way to do that. Uh So that’s one of the things that we’re pushing along. Um One thing that I actually have personally, of mine is, um, it actually came from a constituent. Uh It came from a Republican poll worker. I’m a Democrat Republican poll worker. She brought it to me as her idea. Um When you go to the uh voting booth, sometimes you’re seeing that gigantic ballot for the first time. Um I was number 21 on the end of the ballot, which is insane. So you had, you know, the governor was number one and Gina Sollittidi, she was number number 21 on your ballot and you had all these people in between. And so people go and they see it for the first time and I’m like, what the heck is this thing? And it’s this giant ballot with all these names that they don’t know. So one of the things that I would like to see is an opportunity for people to view their ballot ahead of the election. Um When you go and you go into the voter database and you type in your name for New York State Board of elections, you check your name, your birth date and your voter record will come up. It’ll have your name, it’ll have where you’re voting and all these different things. I want to create this next level and this next level will be uh a digital view. You know, obviously you can’t print it um digital view of your ballot. So you have an informed voter that can look and say, oh all these different candidates. Oh, I didn’t know that. Oh, look at this judge or, you know, whatever the case may be or I didn’t know this election was happening. I know that person and they, you know, maybe they can research that person and uh you know, find out a little bit more about them and uh and then when they go in on election day, they’re, you know, their choice is clear. They, they’ve seen the ballot before and uh and there’s no confusion and they can go in and out and have a pleasant voting experience. All these little things that we can do to uh you know, make voting easier, making it less stressful we should be doing. And so that’s, you know, those are the kinds of things that I’m focused on.

DAVID ( 00:23:00):  What is the reaction in Albany to some of these ideas on both sides of the aisle? Is there a willingness to make voting more accessible? What is the legislature interested in doing? And where do you expect resistance? Oh,

GINA ( 00:23:13):  yeah, sure. Well, there’s some, well, you know, good and bad uh Albany intro uh in, in the assembly, we can introduce up to 10,000 bills a year, which is an, an incr an incredible amount of legislation and we only pass as, you know, a few 100 every session. Uh So there are a lot of election bills that unfortunately, you know, don’t always go ever anywhere. Um There is some pushback, you know, from the other side. Um but there has been, you know, uh change, you know, can be difficult, but I remember there was a lot of pushback with early voting and now it’s incredibly popular and it’s all working out and everybody likes it. Um I don’t, I, you know, maybe it was last week or the week before it was the end of session. And we were talking about some, you know, some election bills and one of them was, um, no excuse, absentee voting and it was a constitutional amendment that unfortunately failed in 2021. Part of the reason that it failed was that it was, there was a multimillion dollar dismiss information campaign, um, uh, by a conservative mega donors, um, saying that, you know, there was fraud and, you know, all these different things and uh with a low turnout election, uh it unfortunately failed uh no excuse, absentee voting. Um the constitutional amendment. Um you know, I worked at the board of elections. So, like I said, I’ve seen these forms before and I’m sure you have too and your viewers have as well. It’s a form, there’s different categories that you need to fill out and the top category section one, why are you gonna be away? You’re sick, you’re on vacation, you’re out of town for work, all these different things. And then the second section is your name then third and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you sign it. Um Basically what the change would have done was eliminated. Just the top section. You still would have to fill out a form. It still would have had to been reviewed by a Democrat and a Republican. It still would have gone through the same exact process. You just wouldn’t have to put an excuse, but you know, it, fear is a motivating factor, right? And so people were scared and, you know, we just had come off the 2020 election where there was a lot of talk of abuse and fraud that obviously is not true. Um So that people were sensitive to it and unfortunately, it failed. But, you know, access to voting and making voting easier for working people for, you know, people who commute into the city, the Wall Street folks, it shouldn’t be a dirty word. We should, you know, we should be making voting easier and accessible and if somebody wants to be able to vote by mail, um they should be able to, and we shouldn’t be giving them a hard time to do it. So those are the kind of things that, uh you know, I’m, you know, we’re working on in Albany and yes, we are getting pushback. Um But at the end of the day, I think, you know, part of it is politics and objects and, you know, when you actually sit down with folks and explain it to them, they see. Oh, well, that’s fine. That’s not a big deal. That seems fairly simple enough. And, and, and, and it is, and it is.

DAVID ( 00:26:25):  Do you find people’s perspectives are changing on some of these bills regarding making voting easier or voting accessibilities? We get farther and farther away from the 2020 election or things just hardening, especially as uh we get closer to our next federal election, which may have the same two candidates on the ballot. And,

GINA ( 00:26:45):  um, it’s cyclical, David. I think, I think that as you, you know, right now, I don’t think folks are really paying attention much. Um, but I think when we get closer to the election, uh, time will get closer to November. You’ll, you’ll probably hear, you know, about things, but I haven’t heard from my, you know, my constituents and nobody’s called me and said, why are you doing this? Um Also conversely, um, you know, I haven’t had a groundswell of, you know, regular constituents call me. But certainly people have been like, oh, I heard about this sounds like a good idea and, you know, things like that. Um Some advocacy groups obviously, um you know, people who are advocating for, you know, better accessibility and better, you know, ease of voting are, are supportive of a lot of the measures that, that we’re doing. Um But there’s so many bills um that could be, you know, so great for making, you know, voting easier and more accessible. Um You know, and hopefully they can get, um, you know, the attention maybe next year perhaps. Uh and uh folks can learn more about them, but I’m pretty proud of some of them myself.

DAVID ( 00:27:48):  What are some of the other uh interesting bills that uh you’re working on or co sponsoring that you think might be coming up for a discussion or passage this.

GINA ( 00:27:57):  year. Well, so not so much this year, you know, session is, is pretty much wind down. Uh I am going up to Albany today though. Uh We have some, you know, clean up work that we need to do. We literally just ran out of hours in a day. You know, when you hear the term, there’s not enough hours in the day. Well, literally the New York State Assembly didn’t have enough hours in the day. And so we’re going back uh and we’re gonna be in session the next couple of days just, you know, nothing crazy. Just, you know, some clean up uh you know, uh of bills. Uh So I’m gonna be working on some things over the summer. Um You know, I, you know, in addition to representing a commuter district, I also, you know, it’s Long Island, we have a lot of um you know, police and firemen. Uh So I do have a couple of bills uh that I’m working on with them. Uh having to do with um uh uh recruitment and retention. You know, one of the things with, we’re all volunteer on, on Long Island and a lot of suburbs throughout New York State. Uh We don’t have paid fire. We rely on the, you know, the, the, the service of our neighbors uh to take care of us. And um but there, there is a recruitment issue, there is a retention issue. It’s, you know, it’s not the same as it was. Um, also over by me, it’s expensive to live here. Right. And so you have, you know, kids that, you know, will enter the fire department in high school and, uh, you know, maybe they’ll do some stuff over the summer in college. But when it comes, you know, time to move back home, they, they may move back home and continue at the firehouse or they move someplace else. Um, that’s, you know, more affordable for, you know, unfortunately for a young person just starting out. Uh, so one of the bills that, that I was looking at is, um, we have a lot of men and women in the fire service that also happen to work for government agency, whether it’s the town, the state, the county. And so what we thought was what if they got some credit for the credit of the work that they do could go towards, uh, their service, their retirement service. So, one of the bills that I have that’s in the hopper is if you do five years of volunteer service and one of the volunteer fire departments, EMT et cetera. Um, then you get one service credit up to three, so 15 years, three credits, um, that, you know, that somebody retiring early, you know, all these different things. Um, you know, we’re trying to give folks, um, you know, additional incentives to want to join, um, and stay, uh, not just join, but stay. And, uh, so that’s one of the, you know, fire department bills that I’m working on. Um, also to that end, having to do with, um, service, uh, is a military buyback. Uh, currently, uh, uh, we, if you have, I believe it’s three years, um, you get one year of credit, three years of the military, one year of credit. Um, we want, uh, also brought by our, uh, NASA police folks to increase it to four years. Um And uh so four years of service and you get, uh and you get credit. Um So another tool um to for people who have uh been served our country and now they can um you know, use that credit towards uh their retirement in the, in the police force. Uh and then the third bill that I’m that I’m working on with our, with our first responders and, and well, this is specifically to the police, um is um uh it’s having to do with um crisis counseling. Um I don’t know if you’re familiar with um the Joseph P Dwyer, peer to peer counseling. Um It is in our military. Uh There was a young man from Long Island uh from Mount Sinai guy named Joseph, uh Dwyer, Joey Dwyer. I actually lived in Mount Sinai and I knew him. Um and he uh came back from Iraq had severe P PTSD. Um He died and so there was um a program started peer to peer counseling. Where you can talk to another peer, somebody who has gone through the same experiences as you uh and that you can get the help that you need. Um So we’re looking to do something um very similar with our police force and it requires legislation and I’m working with our Nassau County um PB A uh on this bill. This is something that they are um very passionate about and I look forward to working on it with them over the summer and just getting the nitty gritty details of it and hopefully bring some attention to it and come January, we can have a swell of support and we can have these conversations because we want our police officers, our first responders to deal with any kind of issues that they see. I mean, we saw in recent years, you know, more and more police officers committing suicide. Um We need to get them the help that they need not only for themselves. So they, and they could also be better, you know, better public servants, right? Um So, uh this is a piece of legislation obviously that I’m working on and hopefully we can, you know, we can see some uh light next year on, on these. Um but, you know, it’s a lot of these bills um you know, come from the public, um you know, some, you know, come from your brain, but for the most part, it’s, it’s people, it’s people that I meet on the streets that give me ideas. It’s, you know, like I said, that, that woman, that poll worker, um I had a mobile office hour. Uh you know, I take kind of the show, my show on the road, so to speak and she came to sit with me and that was her idea. So you never know where, you know, legislation can come from. But a lot of times it just comes from, you know, the people that I meet every day and it’s like, you know, I have this idea for a bill. What do you think? I’m like, I don’t know, let’s, let’s take a look at it and see if we can figure it out. And that’s a pretty cool part of my job.

DAVID ( 00:34:10):  That’s very interesting. And I guess you never know, uh, which bill is going to break through with the right amount of support at the right time and be one of those few 100 that make the cut. Not if you’re in, I guess if you’re in those nine or 10,000 that, that don’t, there’s always next year.

GINA ( 00:34:24):  Yeah. And, and that’s the thing. It’s like, how do you figure out how to make your bill stand out? You know, I’m in my third year, right? So my first year was kind of like the COVID year 2021. It was all remote and then last year kind of getting your feet wet, figuring things out. You’re finally back in person and then of course he had the election. So that’s kind of looms over. Um, so then this year I felt like I was really kind of hitting the ground running. So, uh, so we’re gonna work over the summer and kind of figure out what we can do, um, to make our bill stand out and kind of get, you know, the ground swell of support um, from folks and be like, hey, this is something that Long Island wants, you know, and it’s not just me, right? It’s not just me pushing. It’s uh because at the end of the day, it’s not about me. It’s about, it’s about the residents and it’s about my constituents. So how can we get this over the finish line for them?

DAVID ( 00:35:14):  Oh, they all, they all sound amazing, particularly uh uh your support for the Dwyer project is an attorney who deals with a lot of people who have traumatic brain injury, uh post traumatic stress disorder. Um I’ve seen it very real and, and my clients, the amount of stress, particularly when they’ve gone through a life changing catastrophic event that just never leaves them how crippling it can be. And having that kind of support for people who are going through that kind of trauma is really very important and something uh that our first responders that police officers badly need and, and certainly deserve and it’s really important work. Thank

GINA ( 00:35:52):  you.

DAVID ( 00:35:53):  Um So with that assembly member, Gina. Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of rising leaders of New York. If your constituents or anybody throughout the, the great state of New York wants to get a hold of you. How would they do that?

GINA ( 00:36:07): Oh my gosh, of course. Well, yes, time flies when you’re having fun. Oh, my gosh. Um, so yeah, I, you know, I’m, I’m online, I’m on social media but if you just want to shoot me an email or give me a call, um, my telephone number, uh here in NASA is 516482 6966. And uh my email address is sillittig@nyassembly.gov. I’m super successful. Like I said, you can find me online, shoot me an email or just Google my name and I pop up everywhere.

DAVID ( 00:36:43):  It is definitely true. I did not have any trouble finding any media about you. That’s a good thing about being an open book. It makes for a nice frank open conversation. As for me, my name is David. Uh I am the senior trial attorney here at Hill and you wanna reach me to say anything about this podcast or any of my podcasts or if you are seriously injured uh at someone’s premises on the construction site or a motor vehicle accident, anything like that, you can reach me and the attorneys here at, at 212668 6000. My email is DZ as in zebra, W er in at hill dot com or you can reach us at the web at hillmoin.com. Uh until next week, everybody, my name is David and I will be joined then by another rising leader of New York. Goodbye. Everybody.

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